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rotating while rotating.

Postby swimflyfast » Fri May 05, 2017 4:42 am

I have been absent from this product and forum for many years. Glad to see its still here.

I would like to have a large inner circle (arrows) rotating at a slow rate and a smaller circle of arrows that rotate at a faster rate while circling around the bigger one.
has anyone figured this out?

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Re: rotating while rotating.

Postby cherub » Fri May 05, 2017 6:28 am

These are ProShow's limitations:
Each layer can have but one type of rotation, around a single Rotation Center.
Let's say that the bigger circle has a Rotation Center in its middle. (0,0)
The smaller circle needs to have a Rotation Center that is in exactly in the same place as the bigger circle. Insert negative and/or positive values for the Rotation Center, until you see that it is absolutely in the same place as the 0,0 of the bigger one. This will cause the smaller circle to circle around the bigger one.
BUT, the smaller circle will not be able to rotate in itself. It will remain static. There is no option for a second type of rotation with a second Rotation Center, in its own middle.

Not exactly the effect that you are after, but that's all that we can do for now.

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Re: rotating while rotating.

Postby heckydog » Fri May 05, 2017 7:12 pm

It could be done using other software, then importing an animated gif or other video into ProShow.

I don't have Gold but I would guess it can import a video the same way Producer can.

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Re: rotating while rotating.

Postby cherub » Fri May 05, 2017 7:52 pm

heckydog wrote:It could be done using other software, then importing an animated gif or other video into ProShow.

I don't have Gold but I would guess it can import a video the same way Producer can.

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Yes, of course.
Gold can import an animated gif or video the same way as Producer, though it doesn't have the Chroma Key adjustments that might be needed here.

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Re: rotating while rotating.

Postby Lin Evans » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:57 pm

swimflyfast wrote:I have been absent from this product and forum for many years. Glad to see its still here.

I would like to have a large inner circle (arrows) rotating at a slow rate and a smaller circle of arrows that rotate at a faster rate while circling around the bigger one.
has anyone figured this out?

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I hope to be a contributor as soon as I catch back up from years lost not using this great tool. :lol:


Is this what you're looking for?

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https://youtu.be/Tv3wQUQyaIQ

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Re: rotating while rotating.

Postby cherub » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:09 pm

Lin Evans wrote:
Is this what you're looking for?

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https://youtu.be/Tv3wQUQyaIQ


A bit late for answering...

What you are showing is just that the small circle can rotate around the RC of the large one. That's simple.
The original poster wants the small circle to rotate in itself as well, around its own rotation center.
See my explanation above for the limitations of ProShow.

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Re: rotating while rotating.

Postby Lin Evans » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:19 am

Look again. The small circle is rotating on its own center axis as well as rotating around the large circle. I can make it rotate at any speed on its own axis as it rotates around the large rotating circle. It's not done with Prowshow. I answered because there are many misconceptions about competitive software and some people who have little knowledge of what other products can do (Jeep for example) have made misleading statements. As a user of many slideshow software products, I'm quite familiar with many....

https://youtu.be/_6JfmYB8U80

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Re: rotating while rotating.

Postby im42n8 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:18 pm

Actually Lin, the smaller circle seems to be keeping its same face to the larger circle ... it isn’t independently rotating, at least from the looks of it.

That you are able to implement two or more rotation points for a given object while using a different software is commendable ... but it didn’t exactly answer the question asked. It’s not possible in ProShow directly. In Gold, it’s not possible. It is, however “possible” in Producer. There would, of course be some limitations. However, using a video of one or both objects as separate videos, it would be possible to give the appearance of multiple rotation centers. Producer has masking capability. With a video mask creating the effect of a transparent background, you can create the desired effect. Of course, the rotation speed of the object in the video would have to be adjusted for faster or slower rotation speeds...

Jeep hasn’t provided incorrect information about other products . . . All competing applications have their pro’s and con’s. ProShow has its own pro’s and con’s too. Some have a better time handling certain types of effects. However, depending upon what you’re trying to do, on balance, ProShow is heads and shoulders above competing products.

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Re: rotating while rotating.

Postby Lin Evans » Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:25 pm

im42n8 wrote:Actually Lin, the smaller circle seems to be keeping its same face to the larger circle ... it isn’t independently rotating, at least from the looks of it.

That you are able to implement two or more rotation points for a given object while using a different software is commendable ... but it didn’t exactly answer the question asked. It’s not possible in ProShow directly. In Gold, it’s not possible. It is, however “possible” in Producer. There would, of course be some limitations. However, using a video of one or both objects as separate videos, it would be possible to give the appearance of multiple rotation centers. Producer has masking capability. With a video mask creating the effect of a transparent background, you can create the desired effect. Of course, the rotation speed of the object in the video would have to be adjusted for faster or slower rotation speeds...

Jeep hasn’t provided incorrect information about other products . . . All competing applications have their pro’s and con’s. ProShow has its own pro’s and con’s too. Some have a better time handling certain types of effects. However, depending upon what you’re trying to do, on balance, ProShow is heads and shoulders above competing products.

Dale


Dale,

The small circle is rotating on it's own center - apparently you're looking at the first example where I made it rotate slower. Look at this one. I can make the small circle circumnavigate the large circle with zero rotation about its own center or with backward rotation or with any speed rotation and even make it start at zero rotation on its own center and accelerate throughout the entire scene. Here's a faster rotation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6JfmYB ... e=youtu.be (link to sample showing faster rotation of small circle)

Sadly Jeep has provided incorrect information. For example this statement: "PTE is far from the possibilities of ProShow ant its development structure is unstable" The "development structure" of PTE is very, very stable. PTE is poised to launch a full 64 bit MacIntosh version in 2019 followed by a full 64 bit Windows version. "Far from the possibilities of Proshow?" What does this even mean? A software which is used by the vast majority of winning slideshow competitions worldwide and recipient of the Dobsin Henry Medal by the Royal Photographic Society For outstanding contributions in the Audio-Visual Medium is hardly "far from the possibilities of Proshow". Jeep is trying to argue that PTE doesn't create true 3D which is dead wrong period. It has true 3D transforms and the link I posted to the demonstration shows that clearly. He's arguing about something he has no clue about. PTE launched Parent/child/grandchild hierarchical structure eleven years ago and true 3D transform nine years ago. I don't mind explaining that to anyone who truly is interested nor do I mind showing examples. Jeep has a problem accepting facts and talks out his behind and there is no way to ameliorate that. Anyone who uses both Producer and PTE knows well that what I'm saying is absolutely correct. There is simply no comparing the animation capabilities of the two softwares. I believe in being fair and explaining the differences both strengths and weaknesses of different products. That's the only way people can make a fair decision about which products are suitable for their projects.

Here is a link to the demonstration I posted earlier before Jeep began arguing. He is under the mistaken impression that Producer and PTE use the same type of pseudo 3D transforms. They are very, very different. PTE created true 3D transforms not pseudo transforms like Producer... Look at the 3D cubes made with producer - they always "jerk" - always. It's simple to know when a cube animation is made by Producer. Now look at any 3D animation by PTE - you will not find a "jerk" because the object created are true 3D objects. Try to create a 20 sided geometrical construct with Producer which rotates, zooms, pans, etc. You can't do it. Try to create a book page turning like this with Producer. You can't do it.

https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&ar=1&v ... 18YJIsjI2g (book style pages - real 3D pages no flat pseudo BS)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1_q7XdSjvI (demonstration of PTE's animation capabilities)

Best regards,

Lin
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Re: rotating while rotating.

Postby im42n8 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:25 pm

Oh heck, PTE does do real 3D ... that’s for sure. However, Photodex’s version is a simulation of the 3rd dimension. Truly a bummer. I didn’t realize Jeep made that statement about PTE ... haven’t seen it. I do know that PTE’s had 3D capabilities for years.

I’m more than a little knowledgeable about the significant limitations in ProShow ... having dug into what’s possible (...if you know some of its secrets) or not. Hence, my “Tools For ProShow” worksheet and my “Beyond the Manual” book. I’ve used PTE a little in the past but never really got into it.

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