Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

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Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

Postby VidQueen » Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:17 pm

This is a more advanced tutorial for Producer 6 users, utilizing Rotation Center, Modifiers and the new Text Layers feature in Producer 6.

You can download the Index Card image for free on my website here.

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Re: Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

Postby Betty » Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:49 pm

Thank you Jen, this was most helpful. I've always enjoyed your tutorials!

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Re: Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

Postby obeeone » Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:01 pm

Another excellent tutorial.

Thanks Jennifer

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Re: Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

Postby trulytango » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:57 am

Nice example. Time for an upgrade this end...

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Re: Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

Postby BarbaraC » Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:07 am

Jennifer, as always, you've created an excellent tutorial! We finally and after nagging loudly got our wish with captions. It's like a whole new world has opened up.

Just one thing jumped out at me: the statement that zoom following doesn't work. It can be tricky to the point of phooey in complicated situations, but for simple following such as a ball that's supposed to grow larger in concert with a bat, it's absolutely spot on, though it can't be seen until the slide is played. Am I right in guessing you were speaking of something more complicated?

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Re: Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

Postby VidQueen » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:05 am

Thanks for watching everyone!

I do need to point out that I mucked up the information about the Phase. I typed in 2, and paused when it didn't behave like I expected.....because I was supposed to type in .2, not 2! So, to see any real difference in your Phase shift, type in any number between 0 and 1.

Barbara.....Yes, I was probably referring to complicated situations, but I'm not really sure. I have never seen the Zoom modifier work (Variable Amount Using)...ever. But I may be trying to only use it in complicated situations?! I guess I've never tried it when to objects are 100% identical (all settings are equal to begin with), mostly because that almost never happens when someone is working on a show. If I have a frame and a photo and I want to zoom, pan and tilt the frame and have the photo follow, it won't work. If that's too complicated, then I give up. For the record, I just added a Frame and a Picture. Zoomed the frame in and added a zoom modifier (Variable Amount Using) to the picture to match. Did it work? Nope. No amount of adjustments made this work. Now, I could add a Linear Ramp modifier to the zooms and it does work....but, what if I want it to FOLLOW another layer as it goes forward and back? I'm just not willing to say that following another layer is "too complicated" while watching other programs do this for at least a decade or more. Yes, I'm aware that Dale has a zoom modifier work around. But, wouldn't it be nice if a work around wasn't needed? This program, for most people, is complicated enough....to require a workaround for an already complicated feature that doesn't work the way it should is really asking too much of the average user, imo. (*I also have to keep in mind that I am not creating for myself, but for others who will add their own layers of unknown attributes and who shouldn't be expected to go in and tweek complicated settings)

Here's where my frustration lies (which is clearly coming through in my tutorials, and I apologize for that): as an animation designer, I "see" what I want to have happen in my mind first. Then I create it with the tools I have. My current tools will not allow my to create what I want to, so instead of creating what I really want to, I look at my tools and create what I can with what I have.

If my tutorials are becoming too "negative" I may just need to stop altogether. I can't seem to create a tutorial without pointing out something that doesn't work properly. More than that.....I just can't create what I want to :cry:

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Re: Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

Postby BarbaraC » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:54 am

I'm just like you in that I see an effect in its completion before trying to implement it, and also just like you, I end up periodically frustrated (steam blowing out ears.) Sometimes it seems Photodex is moving through molasses.

I just set up a frame to follow an image that was being zoomed out, and as long as I matched the frame's zoom to the final zoom of the image, it worked fine. Setting the frame to 100% definitely won't work. In a very real sense, you're correct: It doesn't work as we'd expect it to. We expect the frame to pick up its settings from that of the image, but ProShow works in screen percentages somehow, which is utterly confusing to all of us who think in actual numbers, not fiddly percentages. :evil:

Final word: Be cheerfully grumpy! :D

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Re: Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

Postby VidQueen » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:03 am

BarbaraC wrote:I just set up a frame to follow an image that was being zoomed out, and as long as I matched the frame's zoom to the final zoom of the image, it worked fine.

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Totally can't replicate this:( I'm trying to be as simple and basic as possible: Frame. Photo. All attributes are equal to begin with (which isn't very realistic, but let's just get this thing to work). Zoom one layer, not the other. Add Zoom modifiers to the other.....ridiculous results. I've messed with this over a dozen times (changing certain attributes to find any combination that will work). I refuse to believe that I am just this stupid, but that alone may be a sign of stupidity :shock:

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Re: Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

Postby VidQueen » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:04 am

I should clarify that I'm using Variable Amount Using, not Amount from Function....I know that works. I'm trying to get one image to follow another, not move along side it (if that makes sense).

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Re: Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

Postby BarbaraC » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:21 am

Yes, that's what I'm using, too--Variable Amount Using. The trick is to set the follower's zoom so it's the same as the final zoom of the image it's following. In my case, I zoomed the image down from 100% to 48%, and so I set the frame to just plain 48%. I do NOT know why this is true, and if anyone explains it to me, I refuse to understand. :evil:

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Re: Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

Postby VidQueen » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:45 am

Yeah, did that....still didn't work.

I can get one image to following the other, so that worked....but not the way it should. ie my picture isn't in the frame to start with or end with...so, yeah, that worked :roll: What I can't do is get the picture in the frame to start with AND end with. I can get it to look ridiculous consistently, so...you know...yay for that.

I just took both my image and frame into Photoshop, put them in a transparent 1280 x 720 canvas, lined them up beautifully and saved each as a new PNG. That didn't even work. If two identical layers can't follow each other, this is well beyond broken, that's all I'm saying. Yes, I tried it where the layer following was set to the main layers last zoom percentage. Nada.

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Re: Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

Postby VidQueen » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:54 am



Two Identical Layers.
Both Fit to Frame.
Frame zooms from 100 - 50.
Picture is set at 50 and 50 with a Variable Amount Using Zoom Modifier.

Ta da.

As you can see, the photo doesn't zoom back in the same percentage that the frame does.

My head hurts.

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Re: Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

Postby BarbaraC » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:06 am

Weird. I'll have to see what I'm doing differently. If one of us manages to figure it out, we'll have shared our new-found knowledge with everyone. Or maybe we'll both fall flat on our faces, claiming we did it on purpose.

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Re: Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

Postby cherub » Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:09 am

Forgive me for interfering, but it seems to me that each of you speaks of two different things
Barbara speaks of setting the zooms independently, calculating manually each zoom for each layer in each keyframe, and only later placing modifiers for the tilting effects.
Jennifer refers to the zoom of the 2nd layer being calculated by means of modifiers, based on the coordinates of the first layer.
You are right Jennifer, zoom modifiers don't work as they should, and that's a shame :cry:

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Re: Swinging Text Layer Tutorial for Proshow 6

Postby BarbaraC » Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:28 am

Nope, I'm speaking of modifiers for zoom. No tilt involved. The only thing I'm setting in the followers is the minimum allowable zoom.

However, I've ended up finding exactly the same thing as you, Jennifer. I set up more of a real-world thing where the top layer was a frame, the second layer a mask, and the third layer an image. My first attempt gave Producer a major heart attack, and my second attempt reaped the same result as yours, Ms. J.

I'm giving up. For simple zooms, it's easier to just set them manually.

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