Two Pics In A Frame

[ve6tp Profile Private message]

Hi:

I hope I can explain what I would like to achieve. A while ago, I viewed a show that accomplished exactly what I am after and now, darn it, I can't find the show so I can put on a link to view what I want to do. However ....

Visually, what you see in the show is a frame with two pictures side by side. I have no problem getting two pictures into the same frame. Call the picture on the left side of the frame "A" and call the other picture on the right side of the same frame "B".

Here is what takes place:

While viewing, picture "A" is steady, no movement. Picture "B" is displayed for a moment, then iit seems like the picture goes through a transition effect, such as "fade" and another picture fills into "B". It is like each picture in the frame can be controlled separately and have transitions when changing pictures.

Is this done with just one frame and maybe masking or are there several frames used?? If transitions are used only on one picture at a time in the viewing when there are two pictures in the same frame, how is this accomplished?

I hope you get the idea of what I'm trying to explain. It is a great shot.

Thanks for any help.
Tru

[hardsoftware Profile Private message]

Tru,

Sounds to me like there are really 3 photos or Layers within the slide duration time...where as Photo A lasts the full duration of the slide length, Photo B starts at the same time Photo A does but a Keyframe is used to tell it to fade out as some point within the slide duration. Then Photo C is told to fade in right after Slide B is told to fade out...all done with keyframes. So I say there are really 3 photos in the one slide.



Ben

[ve6tp Profile Private message]

Hi Ben:

I think you are probably right on the money. You have described the action very well.

But it looks like it is another learning curve for me. I know nothing about working with Keyframes. I know there are some tutorials on it so I've got my work cut out for me. You know what they say ..... do something the hard way, and you won't forget it. Hope that applies to me. Memory like as sieve.

It's a nice effect so I will be trying to learn how this is done. If you know of any tutorials I could watch, I'd appreciate it if you would let me know Ben.

Take care and always good to hear from you.

Tru

[gpsmikey Profile Private message]

Vidqueen has a number of tutorials on keyframes. There is also lots
of discussion on those handy little rascals in the past here in the forum.
Search on keyframes and tutorials and you will find lots of stuff. The
trick is to remember what a keyframe is -- it is a marker you place
within the timeline of a slide. That marker can have a number of the
parameters such as zoom, position, color, rotation etc associated with
it (you choose which to associate with that keyframe). It allows you
to define a point in time for a slide where something happens.
Keyframes can also be dragged within the slide timeline so whatever
it is you have defined happens sooner or later.

Best way to learn keyframes"
1) get a box of wine (it seems to help )
2) collect the tutorials others have posted as well as the discussions.
3) start with a VERY simple show - 2 or 3 slides. Experiment with the
keyframes and see what you can do. Be sure and read the information
others (like vidqueen) have posted on the "auto" vs "manual" buttons - they
will drive you nuts.

Once you understand what they do, they really work very well.
Here is an example looking at a keyframe timeline for a slide
that I had as an example for another issue.

There are 3 keyframes visible on the timeline labeled 1, 2 and 3.
In this case, the timeline between 1 and 2 is highlighted so when you are
viewing the slide configuration dialog (with this at the top), the image on
the left is associated with keyframe 1 while the one on the right is associated
with keyframe 2. If you were to click on the keyframe timeline between
2 and 3, then the space between 2 and 3 would become highlighted and
the picture on the left would be associated with keyframe 2 while the one
on the right would be what is happening at keyframe 3.

Spend some time watching the tutorials, read the posts, drink some
wine and it will start to make sense.

Hope that helps (and good luck)
mikey

[hardsoftware Profile Private message]

Tru,

Sounds to me like there are really 3 photos or Layers within the slide duration time. Photo A lasts the full duration of the slide length, whatever that is. There should be 2 keyframes, one at the beginning and one at the end of the SLIDE. This is automatic.

Photo B starts at the same time as Photo A, but the second Keyframe for Photo B which would normally be at the end of the slide must be drug or moved from the end towards the middle.

Then Photo C with its two keyframes is told to fade in right after Photo B is told to fade out. This is accomplished by dragging the first keyframe of Photo C to the middle of the slide..


Photo A Keyframe----------------------------------------------------Keyframe
Photo B Keyframe------------------Keyframe-----------------------NO Keyframe
Photo C NO Keyframe--------------Keyframe-----------------------Keyframe

Sheesh, Now I'm confused I tried to draw a sequence of events for each photo....I am NOT a graphics artist


Ben

[gpsmikey Profile Private message]

Way to go Ben -- clearly not enough wine !!

mikey (who has had 2 glasses of wine tonight - AND it even
came from a bottle with a cork instead of a twist cap too !! )

[hardsoftware Profile Private message]

Mikey, Normally I'd be in bed by now, but since I've got no job to go to in the morning I thought I'd catch up reading posts here and cleaning up my email accounts. That yahoo forum for proshow and producer sure fill up my inbox quickly.

Ben

[ve6tp Profile Private message]

Mikey & Ben:

You two are just great. I've already got the wine. I keep mine wrapped in a paper bag though .....

Both of you have given me such a good start on this. I will be doing what you have suggested, gathering text and tutorials. I have seen some from Jen and Jan that will help, I'm sure.

I have an old motto that I use from time to time. Goes like this ...."God grant me patience .............and be quick about it".

Thanks again. So much to learn and experiment with that it removes all fear of landing in jail. Never would look very good in one of those Orange Jumpsuits that the Gov't supplies.

Thanks guys,
Tru

[gpsmikey Profile Private message]

4:45 AM ??? Man, you got to sleep in !! I get up at 4:30 AM
(although as part of the budget saving, I agreed to take the
month of August as vacation so I am sleeping in these days
until 5:30 or 6:00 AM). As far as the Yahoo groups, that is
why I don't have them send me the digests - too much stuff
to sort through - I just wander over there periodically and
see what is going on that is interesting and if I can help.

Good luck with the job market !

mikey

[briancbb Profile Private message]

Tru

If you are struggling with keyframes, do it the PSG way!

You say you can already get two frames side by side on slide 1. Copy all of this to slide 2. On slide 2, delete picture B and substitute with picture C. Make the transition between slides 1 & 2 a A/B fade. I'm sure this will give you what you are looking for.

If you make a top layer with a mask for both pictures (a transparent area) you can even zoom and pan your pictures

Brian

[ve6tp Profile Private message]

Good evening Brian:

It's still morning here .....

Thanks for the reply and suggestion. I had thought of that attempt, but I have not tried it as yet. The problem I see though, is that when frame 1 fades out and goes to ffram 2 with the A/B transition, then all pictures will fade.

What I am after is that the picture on the left is permanent while the picture on the right appears to go through a transition when it is replaced with another picture.

I'm not too good at explaining this. I wish I could remember what "shared show" I saw this on .......
Tru

[briancbb Profile Private message]

Tru

That does not happen. As you transition through the fade, the picture that is on both slides 1 & 2 stays at full intensity. As slide 1 fades out, slide 2 fades in at the same rate keeping the intensity the same. It is an easy way to do it.

As a quick try, to prove the point, put the same slide on slides 1 & 2 with an A/B fade, it will look like continuous slide , even when viewed through the fade.

You have the day in front of you, early evening here.

Brian

[ve6tp Profile Private message]

Brian:

You absolutely amaze me ..... and such a simple answer.

Worked to perfection. Exactly what I was after. I assume the trick is, that since the first picture is not changed, it is fading to itself, so it shows nothing visually to the viewer, whereas a new pic would show the fade effect because of a different picture.

Thank you Brian. Now for a wee sip of wine and a toast to your health.

Tru

[briancbb Profile Private message]

Tru

PSP is like most editing programs, be it text, still images or video ... there is usually more ways than one to produce an effect. It is a matter of finding the one that suits you, AND remembering it. That is where I fall flat on my face.

Brian